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  • 30 Dec 2019 12:22 PM
    Message # 8426897
    Tim

    I see in the latest newsletter that there are plans to renovate the Website. It clearly uses technology and style that looks a bit old but I want to make the point that this isn't necessarily a problem.

    It's nice to visit a site that is so responsive and is (almost) without gratuitous flashing pictures and popups. And, except for Google (google-analytics.com) it is free of trackers. It also works well on a desktop computer, something that is getting scarce these days. These are features I would hate to lose.

    It may be that the current framework is not flexible enough to do some things that are planned and serious renovation is needed to do them but in spite of some quirks it works well. I hope others might have their say about this.

  • 31 Dec 2019 8:14 AM
    Reply # 8434988 on 8426897
    Ken
    Tim wrote:

    I see in the latest newsletter that there are plans to renovate the Website. It clearly uses technology and style that looks a bit old but I want to make the point that this isn't necessarily a problem.

    It's nice to visit a site that is so responsive and is (almost) without gratuitous flashing pictures and popups. And, except for Google (google-analytics.com) it is free of trackers. It also works well on a desktop computer, something that is getting scarce these days. These are features I would hate to lose.

    It may be that the current framework is not flexible enough to do some things that are planned and serious renovation is needed to do them but in spite of some quirks it works well. I hope others might have their say about this.


    My thoughts as well plus I have no problems posting pictures on the Buy & Sell, which, since I'm usually challenged in such things....to me it ain't broke yet.

    Ken

  • 31 Dec 2019 10:44 AM
    Reply # 8436009 on 8426897
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Gentlemen, thanks for your thoughtful input. I hope we get more members contributing to this thread, because it helps guide the direction for the updates.

    There are 2 imperatives for renovating this site: the theme we use for the site is obsolete.  That means we may not get help when the site has a problem (a theme is what determines behaviour of the site - things like a vertical menu down the left side, or login box in the upper right, or SEO, or.....). Also, more people are using this site from mobile devices (some surveys say more than 50% of website traffic is from mobiles today.  In our case, it's likely less, but still material).  Fixing these 2 problems will take a lot of work - every page on the website will need to be reworked.

    Going to all that work opens up some other possible modernizations such as advertising, a better buy-and-sell, friendlier CVMG News archives, etc.  Deciding how much to do will take members' input.  In one sense we want a modern looking website to attract new members, while we don't want current members to feel lost when they look for something.

    Mark Melcher

  • 02 Jan 2020 12:24 PM
    Reply # 8455125 on 8426897
    Tom

    I agree that there is nothing wrong with the web site.  If it's altered we have to learn all over again how to navigate it.  I can restore 60 year old motorcycles and they run like a deere, but the computer is beyond me!

    Don't fix what ain't broke!

  • 03 Jan 2020 3:36 AM
    Reply # 8461786 on 8426897

    Most people working in technical trades these days use computers all day, whether it's Google searches for suppliers & parts websites, the company email & parts web site, or using laptops to access equipment internal ECUs to set parameters & download fault codes. Along with that everybody is using the web on own their smart phones day & night. That means most people are so website proficient they quickly figure out whether a new website is out-of-date & a pain to use compared to one with a modern design... & use it as little as possible!

    I like the CVMG website, but I think we should take the technical advise of the CVMG web administrator when deciding what should happen to it in the future. His point about the increasing number of users accessing the website is no doubt correct, & I do notice bugs on the site when I view it on my smartphone.

    Out of curiosity I took a look at the websites of other non-profit, volunteer-run associations I'm involved with & here's what I noticed:

    Sail Canada: www.sailing.ca - very good, modern looking fully bilingual national website with great photography, good links to legislative issues, & a national perspective including Quebec, etc

    Radio Amateurs Canada: www.rac.ca - good & easy to use, lots of interaction with suppliers & government

    Canadian Motorcycle Association: www.motorcyclingcanada.ca - nice archives, it's been updated recently but looks like it's the best they can afford, probably because they've been dealing with attacks from short-sighted regional businesses trying to make a quick buck organizing local races for years. (The end result of all that is there are now no Canadian riders in FIM world championship MotoGP or Superbike or Motocross... as well as increasing comments about dropping entry numbers at Canadian races! [see last month's Cycle Canada])

    Model Airplane Association Canada: www.maac.ca - Wow! fully bilingual national website & national magazine with great photography, good links to legislative issues, & a national perspective including Quebec & the west, etc. I'm a member of MAAC, & the difference between the enthusiastic & unified national support by its members/suppliers & the whining & bitching about the CMA (& increasingly the  CVMG!) by Canadian motorcyclists & motorcycledistributorships is embarrassing & pathetic! 

    BC Wildlife Federation: www.bcwf.bc.ca - very professional, extensive coverage of wildlife conservation issues, great photography, extensive coverage of federal government firearm restriction legislation

  • 04 Jan 2020 1:12 PM
    Reply # 8475171 on 8426897

    Great web site

    I want to list a bike but am having trouble with posting pictures

    Upload limit exceeded

    I try to make the file as small as I can but it still will not work.

    Casey

  • 05 Jan 2020 5:33 PM
    Reply # 8486444 on 8426897

    Hi everyone.  I'm a new member, I just registered.  I was out buying my first motorcycle yesterday and on the drive home I met a member who pointed me to the site.  

    I'm also a web developer and thought I would throw my two cents into this. 

    With google analytics you should be able to see exactly how many people are using this site while using a mobile device, also what sections are the most popular. You can make decisions from there.

    I imagine this forum is the main page that most people use.  

    I do recommend a new theme.  As this theme seems to have been designed in a time when 1024x768 resolution was the norm.  Hence why all of the text is so small.  I imagine some people are straining their eyes trying to read tiny text when it could be twice the size. 

    I'd also recommend a general clean up.  

    If you want to completely rebuild the website, you have options.  You could do a ruby on rails type of build which is completely bespoke to how you want it.  But that can be a lot of $$$$ as it takes much longer to develop. 

    I also recommend wordpress as a good alternative.  But that's because of multiple factors. There are so many people using it that there is a very large market for plugins.  So instead of spending $1000 for a developer to build something you can buy a plugin for $60-$100 that does 90% of what you need. If you want to add a webstore to sell CVMG merchandise you can buy plugins for that ranging from $100-300.  And just taking a quick look there is some plugins message forums as well.

    The only crappy part is transferring all user accounts from one website to the other.  As you have to read each user, have the software interpret it, and then write it correctly to the new database.  It's not an impossible challenge just a pain that takes time. 

    If anyone has any questions feel free to ask. 


  • 06 Jan 2020 10:11 AM
    Reply # 8493116 on 8426897

    Before doing  anything  ...Why  not survey  the  members  &  see how  they  like  the site  as it is  ...

    I find it simple to  use  &  like it  , as is  ...There are a  few issues  ,  mainly > photo  upload ...I am sure  that can be fixed  & I can still get  photos  into the  body of the text ...

    TEXT  SIZE  >  IF too small  > just  hold control  button    &  role  mouse or hit + or -   , thereby  making it bigger or smaller .

    There are always  problems  with  everything  ....Better  to  teach  the members  a  few  things  , so they  learn  how  to use the  PC  better  ... MAYBE KEEP AN UPGRADEABLE  INSTRUCTION TUTORIAL AT THE TOP of THE FORUM ...ONE  which can not be accessed  by anyone  except  administrators  ...Others can always put their comments  into another blog . 

    KEEP IT  SIMPLE  >>> JUST  LIKE  VINTAGE  BIKES ...

    Last modified: 11 Jan 2020 9:38 AM | George
  • 06 Jan 2020 10:18 AM
    Reply # 8493166 on 8426897

    PHOTS  >>>>>>>>>

    COPY  from another site   &  PASTE  in  this  site .....

  • 16 Feb 2020 4:44 PM
    Reply # 8750645 on 8426897

      The existing website has done a great job and I don't ever recall any issues with access. This is a testament to those who developed it from scratch and put in untold hours to tweak and maintain it. 

    If changes are needed I think they might be best done as modular upgrades (if possible) 

    One thing I'd like to see is a section devoted to a list of stolen motorcycles. One member of a MC in England had eleven bikes stolen from his property on the same day in 2019. It's almost certainly related to his membership in that club and the publication of his collection which became a shopping list. If all the fine upstanding members of the CVMG had a list at their fingertips for reference it might deter some would-be thieves and help recover much cherished motorcycles. We could call it the Twilight Rev!

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